Russell and Duenes

there’s no evidence for demons

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If you have the time, I’d love for you, our little – very little – circle of readers, to tell me how you would respond to someone who says that there is no evidence at all for demons. After all, we cannot see them, so when Christians say that a person is acting a certain way because he is “demon possessed,” the unbeliever says, “There’s no evidence to support such a statement. Clearly the person manifesting such symptoms merely has a physical sickness or a mental illness. Further, when the alleged “possessed” person takes medication for their symptoms, the symptoms either change or go away. But if a demon was causing the symptoms, wouldn’t the medicines have no effect on them? Since the medicines DO affect them, the best explanation is that it’s a physical problem, not a demon problem. In fact, medical science puts the nail in the coffin of the ‘demons are real’ argument completely.”

There. How would you respond?

-D

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Written by Michael Duenes

December 3, 2009 at 3:38 am

Posted in Duenes, Theology

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  1. We cannot see the wind, therefore it does not exist. We see the damage it causes, we feel the refreshment that a cool breeze brings on a hot day, yet it must not exist because we can’t see it. How can that be? What is the wind? Where does it come from, and where does it go? How can we “harness” something we cannot see?

    R

    December 3, 2009 at 4:26 am

  2. I’d say that their distinction between the physical and spiritual worlds is entirely Platonic and not of orthodox Christianity. Such a hard-line distinction is of Greek philosophy and mythology. It began with the Greek poets talking of souls that mirror our current bodies but live in either another dimension or another part of the earth. It was later seen in Plato’s philosophical idea of forms. The distinction is of the same ideology that lead Christians into (wrongly) thinking that all physical things (like sex) are inherently evil while “spiritual” things are good.

    My reply is summed up in the question, “What’s the difference?” What is the difference between demon possession and mental disease? Could not the demon/evil force cause the mental illness? Could not mental illness/perversion/abuse make one more susceptible to possession? These objections immediately ask us to find some way to determine which is which. However, such inquiry simply leads us to conclude that we cannot know the difference! We simply have no for sure way of “knowing”. In fact, even if someone received revelation of such information, they would have no way to convey the revelation to myself in such a way as to undoubtedly prove it is one way or the other.

    Now, I’m sure someone is out there saying, “Well, if someone attempts to cast out the demon, and the person gets better, wasn’t it a demon?” Maybe… But I feel the same way about this as I do with Jesus’s miracles. I really don’t care if the centurion’s daughter was dead or in a coma or just asleep. All I know is that Jesus showed up, and she got better. That’s the point of the story: Sadness + Jesus = no more sadness. I don’t know the chemical details, but I don’t need to know them. I don’t care whether it’s a demon or a sickness. I will pray for a demon to be removed and I will also pray for physical healing.

    Anyway, as Christians, we can be assured that all suffering and sadness has sin as its origin and Jesus as its end. It matters not whether WE THINK it is the result of one or the other. Indeed, the distinction is itself misleading.

    Joshua House

    December 3, 2009 at 6:47 am

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  4. D and R,

    My husband and I have both witnessed demonic activity, and the most significant thread between these various experiences (and why I would argue that demonic activity does in fact exist and is unique from physical sickness or mental illness) is the effect that is produced when the name of Christ is mentioned. While in Africa, Mike was with a team that conducted worship services deep in rural areas. One evening, a local woman came to the meeting and began to convulse each time the name of Christ was mentioned. For me, I witnessed the same sort of reaction among a group of women that had been involved in various types of witchcraft. In Scripture, we see demons respond to Christ with fear and trembling– and in the same way, the power of Christ’s name uniquely evokes physical and mental anguish in those under demonic influence.

    Thanks be to God, though, that the name of Christ also sets people free from demonic influence. In prayer and petition we ask for God’s Spirit to both reveal and destroy the enemy’s work in this world!

    Kelly

    Kelly and Mike N

    December 3, 2009 at 6:54 am

  5. Really good stuff already said, so I will keep it brief.
    1. The bible says they are real, so they are real.
    2. I have experienced them and you can’t deny my experience.

    humanitasremedium

    December 4, 2009 at 7:59 am


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